My ALIEN 3 'fan-edit' proposal...with a TWIST!

[i]Snorkelbottom said - WOAH... Hold on a minute cervantes, you want an edit where Hicks and Newt survive... It could be done but they would be left and the sulaco - you would need to delete all scenes referencing them 1. Intro would be much shorter 2. Andrews log 3. Newts autopsy 4. The cremation 5. Clemens reference to the acid burn on the pod ...and probably others I can't think of right now.[/i] @ Snorkelbottom - Although it might be possible to imply that it was *only* Ripley that was jettisoned in the 'EEV unit' by removing shots such as you've mentioned above, this would throw up it's own set of problems. For instance, it would mean that the great intro. would need to be chopped up quite a fair bit to suggest this, but I'm not sure that would satisfactorily explain why the other 'pods' weren't transferred to the 'EEV unit' too, considering the fire broke out in the vicinity of ALL of them... ...and without going out into all the exact descriptions, it would also entail removing a heck of a lot of neat footage, dialogue, and music to accomodate the scenario that Newt, Hicks, and Bishop were still aboard the 'Sulaco', and none-the-wiser...but would make for a very choppy version of the movie I reckon. I've been told that there's been several previous 'fan-edits' that were going to attempt to imply that Newt, Hicks, and Bishop may have survived, but they didn't come to fruition unfortunately. And seemingly there was also one involving a small group of editors that was going to show *two* 'EEV units' being jettisoned in the first place - one with Ripley in it which crash landed on Fury 161, and one with the rest of the 'pods' in it, which would have drifted safely away... That sounds like it would have needed a touch of effects changes, but it wouldn't have satisfied me anyway, as it still wouldn't have saved Ripley herself! What I'm intending is a solution that makes it possible to watch the existing storylines of the ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION movies in their full complete glory (albeit re-cut to include a combination of what I think is the best footage from each version)...but yet allow for a 'total disregard' for them at the same time, in a way that actually shows onscreen how Ripley, Newt, Hicks, and the Bishop have survived their horrors! Luckily for me, there *is* a way to do that, and there's just enough footage and dialogue available to do it in a way that would definately satisfy me. This way, I would still be able to view these movies as they were intended, but end up with a very different outcome at the end of each of them, thus nullifying the direction they took. Hopefully it might satisfy others too who happen to hold the same love/hate regard for these last two sequels as I have. Hope that clarifys things a little.

I get the direction you wanna take Cerv, and I have no problem attempting to pull it off. BTW I think that all the bishop footage should be left in, the scenes where she grabs him and later on talks to him set up events later on. The problem is, just from a creative point of view, I don't really see the point, because Hicks and Newt surviving is pointless, we never see their story concluded and they would be dead by Alien Rez, creatively its a unexplored and unnecessary loose end.

Ha ha, maybe I was too cryptic in my previous post on page 4 Snorkelbottom, as I'm not sure you've got the direction I want to take, after all. A couple of things I think I should clarify a bit more - 1. ALL of Bishop's scenes would *definately* be left in...as it won't affect the intended outcome whatsoever. 2. As far as you not seeing the point from a creative point of view, because of the points you mentioned about Newt and Hicks - MORE TO COME, PLEASE WAIT TILL I'VE FINISHED THIS POST.

Heh, perhaps I was too cryptic in my previous post on page 4 Snorkelbottom, but I'm not sure you get the direction I want to take, at all. So I'll clarify a few more things at this point - 1. ALL of Bishop's scenes would *definately* be included...as they won't affect the outcome I've got in mind, whatsoever. 2. As far as you not seeing the point of saving Newt and Hicks in ALIEN 3 from a creative point of view, since they would be dead by ALIEN REZ anyway, thus leaving an unexplored and unnecessary loose end - Well, thing is, they actually would be shown to survive BEYOND the events of ALIEN REZ in my versions too! The whole point of what I've got in mind is to portray these characters as being ALIVE and UNAFFECTED by the events of the last 2 sequels...while at the same time negating the more dubious aspects of these movies for me. 3. Finally, I'm looking for someone who'll be willing and able to do everything I've asked for in my initial post about all this, without trying to change ANYTHING I've got in mind for this. No-one has done what I have in mind yet, and even if they came up with a similar kind of solution, it's highly unlikely that they would end up using the exact same combination of footage and dialogue that I'd prefer to see. I reckon there's a good chance of me eventually finding someone who's willing to do all of this exactly the way I want it from the pool of guys I originally had in mind...but if you're actually offering to have a crack at this yourself at some point Snorkelbottom, then I'm willing to take it further with you sometime. What I *can* promise is that the person that does this will be the first to get a chance to evaluate how this will play. And hopefully, they will get as much satisfaction as I will of making this available to others who'd like to see this too, eventually.

Cerv, regards you posts try what I do... [u]OPTION 1[/u] - type it all up - select everything you've typed and copy (Ctrl + C) - click the refresh button on your browser or tap F5 on your keyboard - log back in if you've been logged out - then click on the reply box and the paste (Ctrl + V) - then press the Add Reply button OPTION 2 - open up microsoft word - type away to your hearts content, refreshing this site every so often to stay logged in - select everything in your DOC you've typed and copy (Ctrl + C) - then click on the reply box and the paste (Ctrl + V) - then press the Add Reply button Thats the way i do it when doing long posts

Okay, thanks Snorkelbottom. I've finished my previous post now.

Making it is no prob whatsoever Cerv I am just voicing what others will voice when it is finished, also I can do the cuts as per you instructions no prob, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be good/bad cuts, it all depends upon your experience in the fields of narrative and editing, which I don't know whether you do or not?

Sure Snorkelbottom, some that may eventually see these versions might indeed voice certain critisisms, and that's fine. But whether the versions I have in mind are deemed good or bad by others is irrelevent to me...as either way, this may end up being the ONLY way that any of us will actually be able to watch a version where Ripley, Newt, and Hicks AREN'T killed off... But as I'm a hell of a nit-picker myself, I had to ask myself if what I came up with would work in a satisfying enough way for me, personally. I'm happy to say it will, and I can give an explanation for every single alteration/addition I've chosen, to whoever ends up doing this, along the way.

There would be no need for explanations along the way, just what cuts, swaps, removals, inserts... when and where. I'd do your version as you wanted it to the millisecond. Then if I disagreed I would do another cut, my cut to highlight the differences. Just take into account that a film, just like a game, a level, a book, a comic, even a building, in fact anything with a structure (Narrative or otherwise) needs... - Flow (hard to explain easy to show) - Balance - Logic - Association - Pace (yes buildings have pace)

Ha ha, I see you're already contemplating 're-cuts' of my 're-cuts' perhaps! Well, as it seems that you're actually now offering to undertake these 2 edits for me sometime Snorkelbottom, I'm certainly willing to give it a go, if you are. :) As long as I can end up getting my exact, specific version of the solution I've come up with, I'd certainly have no problem with you doing an altered version of your own eventually, if you wish! And as far as your other points, there's only so much that can be done with the existing footage, but let's just see how things turn out... So just a last couple of things for now - Have you ever actually 'fan-edited' a movie BLU-RAY or DVD before? Can you confirm that you definately want to proceed with all this, or not? (We can work out the details of when and how, at another time, if you do) And if you do, can you confirm if it's possible to REVERSE a single shot if need be? - The soundtrack would be kept as it is, but the footage would be reversed for this shot, ideally. It can still work okay, if not. Thanks for your continued interest.

Ha ha, I like how you're already contemplating doing 're-cuts' of my proposed 're-cuts'! That's the spirit. Well, as it seems that you're offering to undertake this on my behalf Snorks, then I'm certainly willing to give it a go, if you are. :) As long as I can get my own *exact* cut done of the proposed solution I've got in mind, then I certainly won't mind in any way if you feel the urge to attempt a 'different take' of it eventually, nor will I be offended in any way, lol. LOT MORE TO COME. (BUT MY FIRST ATTEMPT DIDN'T GO THROUGH YET AGAIN, SO HAVING TO RE-TYPE THIS DAMN THING ALL OVER AGAIN! JUST DOING IT MY TRIED AND TESTED 'BIT AT A TIME' WAY NOW, SO BEAR WITH ME UNTIL IT'S DONE, THANKS)

Ha Ha, I like how you're already contemplating having to do a 'recut' of my proposed 'recuts'! Well, since it seems as if you're offering to undertake these 2 edits on my behalf now Snorks, then I'm certainly willing to give it a go with you, if you are. :) As long as I can end up getting my own *exact* versions cut of my proposed solution, then I certainly won't be offended in any way if you feel the urge to attempt a 'different take' of them afterwards, lol. And as far as the other points in your last post are concerned, well there's only so much I can do to achieve the new outcome with the footage available, but let's see how things turn out... My solution is simple at the end of the day, and doesn't involve any radical chopping up of the footage of these 2 sequels whatsoever, but will definately give the right impression I'd like to see. It won't be to everyone's taste, but then no-one needs to bother with it if that's the case, as they'll still have the 'official' versions. So if I can ask you a couple of things at this point - Have you ever actually cut a 'fan-edit' of an existing BLU-RAY or DVD movie before? Are you definately wanting to go ahead with this with me sometime when it's convenient? (the ins-and-outs and how-and-when can be sorted out through PM's in future, if so) If you are, can you let me know if you're able to REVERSE a single shot so that it goes backwards? - The soundtrack would remain the same, but ideally the shot would move in reverse. It can still work fine if not, however. Just curious. Thanks for your continued interest.