'Alien' and the Often Under Appreciated Importance of Editing...and thus, Pacing

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craigamore

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Ok...here's where the Uber-nerd in me comes out....but I needed to start something new........I've always loved movies....always.......it doesn't matter how much you love something until you truly take a look at the finer points and appreciate your obsessions for what they are..... I went to film school to make movies.....somehow I ended up in Special Education, but that's another thread for another day.....and I never appreciated the true importance of editing until I was confronted by just how easily any film we see could come out a hundred other ways than what we know...... There's a saying in film....a movie's made three times, with the script, in production and in post-production... I worked on a 16mm short film that we were required to edit in pairs and when we finished and submitted our edits, we all sat down to watch each one and vote on our preference....Going into it, we all had the same shots, same material to work with and I ended up watching 11 movies made by 22 editors that looked nothing like each other.........the center piece of the film was a flirtatious conversation between two co-workers and in each edit, the mood was different, the flow, the attitude and performance of each actor; whether you felt chemistry between them or awkwardness, it was always as though you were watching an entirely different conversation...she seems as though she likes him in one edit and is weirded out by him in the next....fascinating. The point is....any film we see is one post-productiona argument away from working or just plain sucking....there's more to it than that, of course, but it has more to do with the final cut of any film and whether it works, how it feels, the pacing, than most of us realize..... 'Alien' is one of those movies where this is brilliantly on display and I'll demonstrate with the following exercise......Ridley's film, the theatrical cut, is paced so perfectly that you can measure the effort put into it's pacing by timing out the streches between major events and there is an obvious, steady decrease in time between each event, with one exception, that gets a little shorter each time.....It's ptich perfect pacing... - Opening title to Kane's Facehugger episode.. 32:36 min. - To the Chestburster sequence.. 20:05 min. - To Brett's Death.. 11:38 min. - To Dallas' Disappearance.. 07:03 min. - To Ash's Outing as an Android and His Death .. 04:16 min. - To Parker and Lambert's Deaths.. 08:05 min. - includes Ash's monologue - To the Nostromo's Death.. 07:49 min. - To the Final Confrontation Aboard the Narcissuss.. 02:50 min. The so-called Director's cut chops this up and destroys that pacing in way that feels entirely off.....It's amasing what a little addition and subtraction can do..........
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It works both ways craigamore as your probably aware the final edit of blade runner is significantly improved from the theatrical release as is fincher's alien3 and kingdom of heaven directors cut is a completely different film and is all the better for it. A good editor is crucial to the success of a film as is most of the major departments props, costume, sound design, score, and the gamut of film production staff in general all contribute. I always fancied being a casting director, or cinema photographer, hell i would consider being a dolly grip on one of ridleys productions if given the chance lol. Anyone for best boy.
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What exactly does a Best Boy do on set? I've always wondered.........
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I never noticed the times with the pacing, but you're right. I personally would love to see the 3-hour cut of the original. I can imagine that it might be a little tedious, but would still be interesting to see what they cut, especially the scenes involving the alien.
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I never paid much attention to the specific pace of Alien, but you're right. Mr. Scott does know how to ramp it up. I personally would have liked to see the 3-hour cut of the original. I can only imagine how tedious it might be, but would be very interesting to see what they cut--especially scenes involving the alien, itself.
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the scenes with the alien they cut, they cut for a reason, you see it was hard to do things back then ans so at one point the alien was supposed to crab walk across the floor like an insect and they filmed it and looked like crap, here is a [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR5jYeIMBKk]link[/url] i bet all of the deleted footage looked bad like that, that's why they were deleted :( i do see what they were going for with this, but this is to silly looking, if it was in the movie i would not like it :/
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A Best Boy, @Cypher, holds one of two positions...he or she works in either the lighting department or as a grip.....In either case the position is a second in command type position for the respective department. In lighting, he or she reports directly to the Gaffer, who is in charge of directing the placement of all electrical equipment, including lights, as the Director of Photography instructs. As a grip, or rigger, he or she reports directly to the Key Grip in the rigging of lights and, well, anything at all that needs placement on a set.

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