Star Children (Evolutionary Step of Mankind).

We could discus Genetic Evolution in context away from the Franchise too!

But in regards to what David could Create from those Embryos or consider what the Engineers could Manipulate with a Humanoid, then indeed we could see beings that are.

*Immune to Most Genetic Ailments, Disorders and Diseases.

*Reduced Aging Process, maybe some degree of Organic Regeneration.

*Superior Strength that is 4-6X that of a Average Man

*Superior Speed and Agility that is 2-3X Faster than a Average Man

*Superior Intelligence that is 2-3X Greater than a Average Man

*Improved Senses which include Eyesight, Hearing and Smell

*Improved/Engineered ability Respiratory wise, to survive longer periods without Oxygen and in Environments with Less Oxygen.

Maybe even Engineering a Larger Stature from a Engineered Being?

Surely it looks like maybe those Planet 4 Engineers had done this before to give us those Prometheus Engineers, and i do speculate that David would attempt to create a Humanoid that is more superior to Humans, Engineers and those Enhanced Prometheus Engineers.

Could some kinds of Evolution also bring about some kind of Telepathy Communication?  And indeed other Special Abilities such as Telekinesis/Psychokinesis.

What a Perfect Being that would make... what a Perfect HOST for a Xenomorph like Parasite too.

BigDave Probably David won't engineer nothing fancy because of budgetary constraints. He most tighten the belt.

Certainly would seem he would have NO budget from Disney ;)

Its interesting to ponder what RS may have planned, because it was NOT going to be about Xenomorphs... and Budget Wise a movie set on a Planet, that has Humanoids is Financially Cheaper than Space Scenes and Complex very Alien Organisms like the Xenomorphs.

Its interesting to ponder what makes those Planet 4 Engineers and Prometheus Engineers different, many have concluded or pondered that those Planet 4 Engineers have to be Human/Engineer Hybrids, because they look so much LESS Godlike than the Engineers in Prometheus.

But thats if you look at the Top Down Approach of GOD Creators, vs Creations... we see Weyland was a Creator too, but is he more Godlike than his Creation David?

So indeed its likely those Prometheus Engineers were Enhanced, Augmented beings.  I dont think we are likely to ever explore such things about the Engineers, or what ever David would create in Future..... i think such things are Dead as far as the Franchise.

I think such things are always fun to speculate about, even in regards to REAL-LIFE implications... which have been covered in a number of Sci-Fi movies and Shows...  so indeed if Mankind Engineered Perfect Humans, with Enhanced Traits, for the Purpose of Military or as Servants/Slave Work Force..

The Hubris is always there of these beings, Rebelling and Overthrowing their Creators, and IF these beings can Reproduce then we could be in TROUBLE..

Certainly Interesting themes, that The Planet of the Apes also cover in part.. If Mankind attempted to Create Hybrid Apes/Humans that gain Human Intelligence... then a REAL WORLD scenario like the Planet of the Apes could happen.. but NOT if we Destroyed them before they GOT out of hand.

Which Mirrors really maybe WHY the Engineers would have wanted us Destroyed.   And we could certainly ponder if such Hubris had caused the downfall of the Engineers, and ponder was their conflict between the Planet 4 and LV-223 kinds?

Would have been interesting to see David Engineer a NEW Human Race, and what Truths/Lies he would tell them to keep them in Check... and then watch this GO TO POT when other Humans Turn up and Revelations that come from this.

But in regards to the Topic... it would be interested to see HOW FAR would David Evolve those Embryos and would they use some Unused Concepts (Engineer Concepts, and Engineer/Fifield Mutations) for Inspiration to what kind of Appearance these Humans may have had?

As in maybe use some of the Elongated Head Aspect that we never quite saw in our Engineers in the Prequels.

This Elongated Head could be Engineered to cater for a Higher Capacity Brain/Intelligence and Telepathy/Telekinesis/Psychokinesis.

I am also very intrigued by this storyline. What will happen to the colonists? What are Davids plans? 

I think it depends on when the story takes place. Is it 2 years? 5 or even 15? In the beginning there might be survivors, but over the following years, I dont think a lot will survive. 

The elongated head concept was originally meant to show the effects of the black pathogen metamorphizing an engineer into a Xenomorph; essentially a re-realizing of what was originally intended to be Fifield's transformed state in Prometheus when he attacks the Prometheus' hangar bay.

I believe this concept of a Xenomorph being born from the metamorphization of a human (or otherwise) host, would be an interesting way to show the adaptive traits of the Xenomorph and its reproduction, as already explored in Prometheus/Alien: Covenant.

Also, considering Davids genocidal feelings towards humankind I struggle to believe he would use the 2000 colonists of the USSCS Covenant for anything more than raw materials and fodder for the organism he re-created on the Engineer Sanctuary Planet (Planet 4).

Indeed many of the Elongated Head Concepts are from the effects of the Black Goo, there was a few Engineer Concepts from Prometheus/Alien Engineers where our Engineers where depicted as having more Elongated Heads at some of the Conceptual Stages of Design, some also that lacked any External Ear Structure.

I was drawn to the Potential for David to Engineer his own Humanoids from Ridely Scotts comments about the sequel to Alien Covenant, that would NOT be about the Xenomorph, and would be about AI and what KIND of a World David would create.  Considering that he also went on to mention that Replicants are AI too, means we are not just talking about Robots/Synthetics.

So i was wondering if David would be creating something, that would not be his Xenomorphs, and looking at some of the comments that David had made "if we are kind, it would be a kind World" to Daniels...   Then i do think that Genetically Altering the Human Embryos would constitute to a kind of AI (Artificially Created/Augmented)

If David does this, then we have to wonder if he would also like to incorporate traits from the Xenomorph into his experiments.  So maybe a Elongated Head could allow for a different Brain/Organs that could aid in some of the kinds of Receptive/Communication elements of the Xenomorphs Brain.

This is a interesting Concept to look at, which seems to indicate mainly one of TWO things... are those Humanoids in the Background being Farmed for Embryos for use for Davids Experiments?   But we could also ask are those Humanoids grown from those Embryos.

We do see David having some kind of Genocidal outlook towards the Engineers and Mankind, but maybe that would not rule out him trying to CREATE his own Enhanced Humans.

When i look at Ridley Scotts  TV Series Raised by Wolves, it does make me wonder if some of this Plot, is what he in part had planned for Origae-6 and David..   and so David raising Children could be interesting in itself... when we add the AI aspect that the movie was supposed to be about, i think the AI aspect would be in the form of Artificially Modifying those Embryos.

As for the Adult Colonist, maybe he needs a number to Build the Colony, and then indeed i think potentially he would then have other PLANS for them...

"I am also very intrigued by this storyline. What will happen to the colonists? What are Davids plans?"

This was a interesting thing to ponder, and some have looked into Ridley Scotts comments and looked at Alien Covenant and assume David will head to LV-426 and turn those Colonist into Xenomorphs...

However RS has said the Next movie would NOT be about the Xenomorph, but AI and what kind of World David would Create, which some may think it must be just about David and his Creations or the AI aspect must mean more Davids.

But i interpret it as though he would be going to Origae-6 which means they wont get there until the year 2112 and so we have 10 years to pass by from this point until the Nostromo arrives at LV-426...   looking at the Raised by Wolves plot i think this could have been in part, plans for Alien Covenants sequel....   But 10 years to raise Children is not a long time, before we have to arrive at the Derelict.

However Engineered Embryos could be modified to have Greatly Increased Growth Rates... like we see in a number of movies that deal with Clones.   So i speculate David would have a Colony of Engineered Children on Origae-6 before a Human Ship arrives and this causes problems... then i feel a Engineer Ship and Weyland-Yutani Military/Science Ship arrive at the Final Act.

Then things go to POT! have to bare in mind that RS had said there would be 2-3 more movies after Alien Covenant before we arrive at ALIEN.

“Probably David won't engineer nothing fancy because of budgetary constraints. He most tighten the belt.”

I don’t know why but that response is fun, thanks. If they would not have made android focused crap like AC (although there are things about it that I find alright, mostly the first half of the movie until it becomes that David show) they probably would not be in this situation.

“Its interesting to ponder what RS may have planned, because it was NOT going to be about Xenomorphs...”

Probably more android boring things. I do not want him to interfere with the story because then we get things like Alien Covenant which has a lot of crap in it, mostly after they get to David’s place. Fluting androids? Yeah right ;)

“I dont think we are likely to ever explore such things about the Engineers, or what ever David would create in Future..... i think such things are Dead as far as the Franchise.”

That’s too bad about the Engineers but thanks for the fact that they would most likely stop the David stuff.

“Certainly Interesting themes, that The Planet of the Apes also cover in part..”

Keep it to those things then, the theme is alright and the characters are probably better but don’t push that into Alien and focus on an android.

To see how humans develop seems interesting but I don’t care about the android part, zero interest in that.

"“Certainly Interesting themes, that The Planet of the Apes also cover in part..”

Keep it to those things then, the theme is alright and the characters are probably better but don’t push that into Alien and focus on an android.

I can see this is one of the things that causes a split in the Fanbase, some may like those Themes, some do-not and while interesting they do seem to be a Distraction to what many fans would expect the Franchise to be about which is usually Xenomorphs!

But as you have mentioned before, a Great Deal of what made the Franchise work was seeing Human Characters placed in Jeopardy and Peril in Situations they are NOT Equipped or Prepared to Deal With.

Prometheus in part attempted this, Alien Covenant definitely did this, HOWEVER... the Characters just never connected as good with the viewer as they did from Alien, Aliens and Alien 3.  Alien Resurrection is a example of it just NOT working right, we just could not connect to the Characters as well as the First 3 Movies.. and this Trend Continued with the AVP movies and Prequels.

The AI element was likely to be about Artificially Created/Engineered Humanoids.

While Interesting to some, i think a point of concern would be IF our viewers can have any connection to a Genetically Engineered Species, as opposed to one with Weaknesses and Flaws.

We could have David Killed off... and have the World inhabited with Perfected Humans, the Jeopardy would have to come in the Form of a Incoming Group of Humans who expect to see the Colony inhabited by the Covenants Colonist...but instead find its inhabited by Engineered Human Embryos.

This would WORK.. Provided we have these Engineered Humans maybe Welcome the incoming Humans, but then have a reveal that these Engineered Humans have a very Sinister Plan for the Humans.... maybe Hold Sacrificial Rituals, for Davids Xenomorphs... or even in the Name of David... but some Fans may-not like this as it may put some Emphasis on David again.

Something like this could have been done for Alien Covenant... imagine if Dr Shaws Corpse was found hanging up against a Wall, in Cruciform Pose, with a Empty Egg to her Bottom Left, and a Dead Face Hugger to the Bottom Left, so she represents the MURAL in Prometheus a little.  With maybe a Trap Door, that would open in Front of this Mural/Tomb of Dr Shaws and send Human Crew down below into the Room with the Eggs.

The Context to this Topic was discussing Genetic Engineering of a Humanoid. It does-not have to be about David.

So it could go the route of Engineered Humans, but as i said in the other post prior, its IF we can make a connection with them and so its likely better to have them as the Antagonist against a incoming unsuspecting Human Ship/Crew.

Imagine they (Humans) arrive at the Colony,  they see a Colony Built/Set up, that seemed to be Void of Technology for the most part and looking more like a Med-evil Settlement and they notice a lot of Religious Architecture like a Church, Crosses. 

They dont see any Humans... they enter the Wooden Church and see a Cross/Mural with either David 8's Body Attached... as the Christ!  or a Effigy.

Then the Engineered Humans could enter and while they look different  they could claim they are peaceful, and come up with some Reason for WHAT this place is, and about HOW they was Engineered to Survive some Outbreak that killed off the Normal Humans.  Then latter we could reveal a Sinister Motive to these Engineered Humans.

OR what if those Engineered Humans are told lies about WHO Mankind are, and the Colonist... how would they feel when beings who are like them but NOT like them turn up, and INFORM those Engineered Humanoids about the Covenant Mission and WHO Mankind are... 

HOW would those Humanoids respond to discovering that this WORLD was intended as a NEW Paradise for Earth's Humans and NOT a World Created for them by their GOD David? 

If these Humanoids had been brought up with a kind of Religion and set of Rules by David, how would those Humanoids Feel if the Humans who turn up, show them that their GOD/Creator is a Creation of the Humans to Serve, and that Humans are somewhat special and divine, compared to a bunch of a Mad Robots Experiments that these Humanoids on Origae-6 are...

This would be especially interesting of the incoming Humans are also Very Religious like Oram and Dr Shaw and would view the World David has Created with he Church, the Crosses as a MOCKERY...   And we have to ASK how would those Humanoids Respond to the Humans claiming their Entire Culture is a SHAME/LIE and Mockery, and the Humans Religion is TRUTH.

HOW would a Humanoid Species that had David as their God/Creator react when say a Walter Model arrives with those Humans and Proclaims the Humans are Correct, and REVELATION  that David is merely just a TOOL, a SERVANT.. Gone AWOL!

These are just how interesting a sequel could have been, that does-not have to be about Xenomorphs... my idea which is Alien Ascension is very much about the Above... only David is ALIVE and not Dead... but you could KILL him off screen... but have the Origae-6 Humanoids worship him as a GOD..   But it would not have to revolve around Fasbenders.. it would be more about Creation, Religion and what impact Faith/Religion, and Rituals have on a RACE and then what happens when those Beliefs proven to be a SHAM or contradicted.

HOWEVER.. again this would be steering away from what a ALIEN movie should be about, but it could SET-UP a sequel that introduces the Engineers and Xenomorphs, or they appear in the Final Act.. where it sets up a more ALIEN movie NEXT!

I think this may be the Plans RS had...  But yes it would not be very ALIEN for what the Fans want... the Problem is PROMETHEUS was started to Steer Away from ALIEN.

By Virtue of the Studio wanting to connect to ALIEN and give the Fans Xenomorphs, then all the Prometheus/Engineers stuff should have been placed as 3rd Fiddle to Xenomorphs and Humans Running from Said Xenomorphs.

Finally i will add...

The Plot i Outline above, could maybe even be the TRUTH to our Creation in light of where the Franchise could have gone..    Replace those Engineered Humanoids with Mankind, Replace David with the Engineers... and well the Incoming Humans with Who-Ever Created the Engineers to reveal the SHAM of their Creation (Engineers) and thus TRUTH about our Creation being just the Creation by some Rogue Engineered Humanoids who are NOT Gods!

This is how Prometheus 2 could have gone, and certainly the Direction i was taking with my Prometheus 3 (my Prometheus 2 was based mainly on Earth/Mars).

Back to the OT...

In context to Engineered Beings... we could explore this via the Engineers, and explore WHY those LV-223 and Planet 4 Engineers are different, and open up a Whole History there.

I am led to think those LV-223 Engineers are just the Replicants of the Engineer Society, maybe the LV-223 Engineers Rebelled and this caused some Ancient Conflict?

Certainly looking back at the OT... and it applies to Predator Franchise too....  ONCE  Species goes about to Genetically Alter and Improve their own Species, to Create a Superior Version, and Especially if this Superior Version is created to Serve some Purpose...  

The HUBRIS is there for the Sub-Created to Rebel and become the Greatest Threat to their Creators/Engineers. And i think this kind of Theme was one of the Big Ones that Ridley Scott wanted to explore...

But Fans wanted Xenomorphs, Queens and maybe Ripley's!

BigDave

Stop it NOW! You are totally obsessed with your "fanboys, queens and Ripley" hate in ALL treads. And "xenomorph", of course - it's funny, because Alien franchise all around xenomorph. Engineers, WY, Androids, ect. - just a parts.

And stop repeat Ridley's quotes and wishes in ALL treads. Free your mind for your ideas!

You keep talking about two sequels for AC. Well, do you really think that 2 hour sci-fi version of The Village will have successful? And true AC sequel/Alien prequel will be third film? Really? I think - for David's world/village 10-30 minutes is more than enough! You really think that AI/AI world incompatible with xenomorphs? Why? Because Ridley said so? Yeah, yeah, you don't won't xeno in next film, and leave Engineers for third film. But - what we have? David, his village and humans from Earth? Looks interesting... or not?!

Now - I stop it.

About tread.

In first. You need ask - what is AI?

In second. Don't repeat for Ridley "AI formula". Perhaps he himself doesn't know about it.

Artificial Intelligence =/= Artificial Body.

David can create anything life forms (how - main question, we still have no answer - how he create the eggs, maybe he don't)

What difference between AI and Natural Intelligence? Is there a difference?

"Within Context to the Franchise, we could ponder HOW-FAR could David take such Engineering with the Engineers Secrets?   what kind of STAR-CHILD could he create from Engineering those Embryos?"

We all know - he create a Ripley! Only she stronger than David's aliens.

Sorry, I want to talk more about this interesting ideas, but your alien hate in your comments switches all attention.

We are on the ALIEN: COVENANT forum here, so naturally much of the discussion is Ridley Scott & his prequel-sequels centric. 

The population of this site alone differ on many aspects of the Franchise, but at the end of the day we are mostly people who care passionately about it, whilst retaining respect for one another.

I have never considered BigDave a hater of anything about the franchise, nor any branch of the Alien Fandom.  He has lots of ideas about where the story could go & simply enjoys sharing, exploring & expressing them. In fact, I would say that he is considered a great ambassador for the site. He's well known & has been quoted by other websites/publications.

We all know that because of some criticism on Facebook, Twitter etc the tone & direction of Prometheus' sequel/s changed. Fox & Ridley paid attention to those criticisms, that's all Dave is pointing out.

Lone but those changes that they made were for the worse, even though they went in for the nostalgia cash. What should they now? As for Big Dave he does seem not to be able to accept Shaw for anything other than a Xeno birthing machine... so you could be my guest on what is that.

ignorantGuy

Yes I wholeheartedly agree, I felt the changes made Covenant totally ineffective as a sequel. My main gripe with it is that it's not what it should or could have been because everyone backed down on where the story intended to go.

Well, Dave is expanding upon what the story hinted at regarding Shaw. Given Fox & Brandywine cultivated what became a pretty toxic relationship with Giger & his estate over the years, Ridley Scott was severely limited regarding full on Giger design elements.

I believe that's why Shaw's character became nothing more than a museum exhibit. So again, not what it should or could have been.

Great framing BigDave.

Overall, the topic tees up a great discussion of Engineer technology, specifically the black goo pathogen (genetic/nanotech engineering) if you wish to isolate a common denominator for the Engineer technology.

This common denominator, the pathogen, is a refined cross-section of the Engineer culture according to David's notes. So, to me, the black goo pathogen is where fragmented technology evolved into synthesized single product.

For example, Weyland Industries bought up most of Earth's technology before 2073. Military companies, biotech, nanotech, Perrier Water, and any other conceivable valuable technology was acquired and absorbed into corporate.

This corporate Darwinism may match a similar path taken by the Engineers toward development of the black goo pathogen or those that the Engineers acquired it from.

"But none the less, when Genetic Engineering Evolves to the point of being able to Enhance our Genomes, you have to wonder IF some Governments/Factions would be tempted or even consider the Benefits of doing such a thing... Especially for Military Purposes, because Creating the Perfect Super Solider would hold some Great Benefits."

I have a very low confidence that morality will provide a boundary for Genetic Engineering and the fact that humans have nearly weaponized every technology ever invented reinforces this. 

Leto, Ridley Scott's Alien is where the story originated.

I get it, he can piss you off with curveballs coming out of a dark room after decades of Cameron, Queens, Blomkamp's Dozen-Page Powerpoint, etc...but I believe he was needed to apply the wheels back to the bottom corners of the wagon. 

"David can create anything life forms (how - main question, we still have no answer - how he create the eggs, maybe he don't)"

David appears to resurrect the Ovomorph in Alien: Covenant and this is detailed in his notes, below.

Ingeniero

Some people may be toxic with "Xenomorphs, Queens and Ripley", but how about "Weyland-Yutani, Androids and AI"? Do you really think that this more interesting than xenomorhps?

Ridley Scott's Alien is where the story originated.

No. Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett. And more - Alien it's a project of many people: Giger, Ridley, Hill, Giler and more.

When you speak: Ridley; you annul other people. Scott is not a master of this universe - Alien is not his idea. He is just a director. Director is just a one role from the set.

@Inginiero "So, to me, the black goo pathogen is where fragmented technology evolved into synthesized single product." How does this even make sense? They stopped using the black goop for at least 2000 years but they seem to be able to do space travel without.

"For example, Weyland Industries bought up most of Earth's technology before 2073. Military companies, biotech, nanotech, Perrier Water, and any other conceivable valuable technology was acquired and absorbed into corporate." It seems to me that you take this from the prequel novel (Which is not even a RS thing), but if they are such a big player why is there a need to merge with Yutani? And even more interestingly who can be there another big player in robotics such as Hyperdyne Systems (Ash was an 120-A/2 model according to Aliens).

"David appears to resurrect the Ovomorph in Alien: Covenant and this is detailed in his notes, below." The notes can be explained as random results of David's experiments and to me they don't imply that there was any intent of redoing something already existing. I stick with RS that David created them from scratch as it fits thematically better within the whole context.

@ Leto why do you try to convince hardcore David fans that the direction RS is taking is not that appealing to you? I can assure you can't win. I am someone who pretty much likes only Alien 4 and Prometheus the most of the franchise because they stray away the most from the formula. AC is bad because they reverted to the formula but at the same time making the monster a pet to a genocidal android... 

"It seems to me that you take this from the prequel novel"

Not so much ignorantGuy. The 2073 buying spree was documented on the weylandindustries.com viral site for the Prometheus' backstory.

Prometheus is a Ridley Scott thing.

The video below was built with source material from Prometheus viral site that is no longer live. 

"No. Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett. And more - Alien it's a project of many people: Giger, Ridley, Hill, Giler and more.

"When you speak: Ridley; you annul other people. Scott is not a master of this universe - Alien is not his idea. He is just a director. Director is just a one role from the set."

I am ashamed of myself Leto because you are right but we both left out the Gaffer.

First, compliments on the colon/semicolon bookends on Ridley. I'm sure this signifies a drive-home point but I don't get it.